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Post by omogooner on Aug 6, 2012 14:59:08 GMT
like Bankers detached from reality? Are the days when a local lad who supported our team from birth (i.e. has Arsenal in his DNA) then played for and starred for Arsenal gone? I do not remember the last time a local lad actually played for the Arsenal. I hear Wilshere/Jenkinson are proper Arsenal fans, but their fledgling career is still in its infancy.
I also wonder, how RVP would really consider playing for Manure? There was a time in the 90s when Manure was hated more than spuds. The game between us and them was much more intense that that between us and Spuds.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 6, 2012 15:11:51 GMT
the game became a money business. The dream and glory of playing for your boyhood side is long gone. Not helped by managers like Wenger who search worldwide for 14 year-old talent to watch - then they pounce to tie up the 16 year-olds to ' scholar' forms.. If we forced player registration to run for the length of contract - and limited transfer signings to say 2 per year - the game might improve. I know I'm talking shite - would FIFA, FA, SKY and Boardrooms allow it - no no no.
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Post by jjsb on Aug 6, 2012 15:18:07 GMT
Footballers have been shown to be a bunch of prima donna tarts from certain Olympians the last week or so. The lack of effort by (certain) Team GB players against South Korea was in stark contrast to some atheletes who physically were unable to move after their events as they had given so much. I wish I could say it's an elite thing but sadly this twattish attitude even seeps down to non league where some players still believe they're something special.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 6, 2012 15:24:58 GMT
odd - isn't it? We find ourselves slaves to a sport - ha ha - where the bosses, players and officials are despicable. Worse - where the money is - and costs us the most to follow.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 6, 2012 15:25:44 GMT
Money has totally changed the face of football.
Only Wilshere, Jenkinson and Frimpong from our current batch are pure Arsenal. Its a shame though, you get to play for your boyhood club only to discover that you are not likely to actually win anything and then you will be sold by the club that is in your heart - for financial gain.
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Post by omogooner on Aug 6, 2012 15:41:45 GMT
the game became a money business. The dream and glory of playing for your boyhood side is long gone. Not helped by managers like Wenger who search worldwide for 14 year-old talent to watch - then they pounce to tie up the 16 year-olds to ' scholar' forms... I have always wondered what the benefit of taking a kid out of his environment...... and taking to across the world... I know it worked for Messi, I wonder if Messi is an exception. |
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 6, 2012 15:42:53 GMT
it worked for dozens of tennis players.
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Post by omogooner on Aug 6, 2012 15:47:02 GMT
Money has totally changed the face of football. Only Wilshere, Jenkinson and Frimpong from our current batch are pure Arsenal. Its a shame though, you get to play for your boyhood club only to discover that you are not likely to actually win anything and then you will be sold by the club that is in your heart - for financial gain. I actually the club selling is a 2-way thing. I also think you have more of a chance of ending your career at your beloved (like Tony Adams), if you played for a club you supported. Look at RVP, no soon has he played a full season and a half, he thinks he is much better than the club! |
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Post by thehothead on Aug 6, 2012 15:48:37 GMT
I think it depends on the environment and the chance for development. some kids will outgrow certain environments, other kids thrive on being around better players, so I can see obvious benefits to taking a child from his environment. The bottom line is though and kids won't know this at the time, to better yourself you need to be in a environment that compliments learning.
Sacrifice is key to being the very best you can be, but I'm sure the ids would prefer staying where they are, with their friends, playing Call of Duty and what not.
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Post by omogooner on Aug 6, 2012 16:58:32 GMT
I accept some change in environment are more severe than others. My son's mate has been accepted into Norwich academy, was commuting before, but has had to change school, "leave" his family home to go and leave with another family out in Norwich, probably will still come home to Hertfordshire every month..... that really is no change.... Imagine taking a 13/14yr old child from the backstreet of Angola (Portuguese speaking), does not speak a word of English, and bring him to rural UK...... How can you then expect to get the best out of that kid with all the cultural changes, language barrier blah blah?
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Post by thehothead on Aug 6, 2012 17:54:06 GMT
Yeah I hear you .. that would be tough.
this is the reason why I didn't understand the criticism of Cesc wanting to go back to Barca, the boy left his family and friends at 16 and wanted to go home. This is the risk you take when you take a child from his home environment.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 6, 2012 19:22:30 GMT
While I agree that the average premier league footballer will behave in a despicable way, there are many examples of players not only showing loyalty towards their clubs but also being relatively down to earth. I think a large part depends on the environment in which you grew up in coupled with the education you have. For example someone with very little education and growing up in a relatively poor environment may not be able to handle such change to their lifestyle. I mean if you were earning nothing one day and look liked you were going nowhere to getting 150K a week you are bound to change a bit.
What really annoys me are people like Ashley Cole, John Terry and Rio Ferdinand as they grew up in a relatively modest household but since becoming famous they have quickly abused their power and flaunt their money. I can’t stand this because they have been gifted with a great career and football is practically the only thing they have going for them, yet they think they are superior to the average fan that pay to see them play each week.
At the same time you have players like Drogba who are world stars but have not let the fame and wealth get to their head. If what I hear is true, Drogba gives a considerable amount of his wealth to building hospitals and helping the poor in his homeland. But its not just Drogba though, a number of African players do very similar things, which is why that I think the environment you grow up in effects how you behave. These guys came from very humble beginnings more than the likes of Terry and Cole and they still remember these humble beginnings while the likes of Cole and Terry have forgotten.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 6, 2012 19:28:50 GMT
EXACTLY - WELL SAID.
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Post by jjsb on Aug 7, 2012 9:07:28 GMT
Sadly, your Drogba's, Nedved's and even (amazingly) Craig Bellamy's of this world are the exception to the rule rather than the norm. I'm not saying footballers should all give money to charity, but honest to god, when you get that much, what on earth do you do with it?!
The money issue isn't really my gripe anyway (although it's obscene what people get), it's more the attitude from footballers that an ability with a ball sets them apart/makes them better. Jess Ennis and Mo Farah seem two of the most approachable, humble people you can come across and they're the best in the world at what they do. Thing is, I don't even blame footballers (that much), it's the media/public's fault for putting them on these pedestals.
Please note I'm talking very broadly here - there are exceptions to every rule. You'll get some lovely footballers as well as some incredibly arrogant atheletes.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 7, 2012 10:24:10 GMT
I concur. However I can't blame Terry and Cole etc because growing up in a poor African country and moving away from your family then earning big bucks cannot compare to growing up in a broken home in South London, for example.
My dad harps on about us sending money to his family in Nigeria, none of us get it because we are born and raised in London and have no real affinity to the family in Nigeria. Furthermore its not like we are living like kings in London, we are all put under pressure with our own bills.
So for African players it is standard to send money back home I think, they couldn't possibly be living like kings in Europe and their brothers and sisters are struggling to find food back home. Completely different mind set.
The media have hyped football to the detriment of other sports, so I am quite happy that other sporting people are getting their chance for a share of the limelight now during the Olympics.
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