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Post by Jayramfootball on Jul 26, 2012 21:42:49 GMT
Sorry to say this but I fear you have a point. We lose out on all the high value transfers except in the instances where the player us too young and other clubs don't want to take the risk or we get who we want because others didn't want them anyway. You'll recall how the egghead Gazidis used to say we couldn't get the players because they weren't available in the first place. Yeah sure...... All spin I'm afraid Mata and Alvarez as I mentioned are two prime examples..
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jul 26, 2012 21:44:56 GMT
Mata would have been fantatsic for us as well!
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Jul 26, 2012 21:46:45 GMT
Mata and Alvarez as I mentioned are two prime examples.. If we have to scramble around and settle for second or third choices then it will have proven all along what we knew, that RvP had seen it all and to him, enough was enough. Those words or lack of them from our egghead CEO from the spring of 2010 haunt me and they were that Arsenal will never buy success but grow it and would not be drawn when asked on whether he was prepared to lose Fabregas and others in the process.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Jul 26, 2012 22:09:50 GMT
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Jul 26, 2012 22:54:49 GMT
With this propensity this management has shown to losing out on transfers I won't breath a sigh of relief until the deal is sealed. I don't think there's another club that assumes itself to be a leading participant in the game that carries out it's business this way
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Post by jjsb on Jul 27, 2012 10:15:07 GMT
I think that smokescreen theory is a pile of ballbags. I honestly think we were interested in some of those players but were priced out of the market. Mata-wise the reason we never got him were because of his obscene wage demands (I think Wenger himself said that). Nobody will ever be able to say for certain though so I'll keep the faith.
Cazorla is a player who was definitely on the cards but we were only ever likely to get him on the cheap if their owner continued to act like a nutbar thus forcing the clubs hand. If, however, he chooses to step in then nobody has a chance to sign him. Personally I think we can get him for £25m and think it'd be a real statement of intent if we did. It certainly looks like he'd like to come to us but convincing them to sell is another matter.
I just hope that we're actively looking at numerous other possibilities as we always seem to get too involved in trying to get one player at the cost of losing out on others.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Jul 27, 2012 10:27:14 GMT
I think that smokescreen theory is a pile of ballbags. I honestly think we were interested in some of those players but were priced out of the market. Mata-wise the reason we never got him were because of his obscene wage demands (I think Wenger himself said that). Nobody will ever be able to say for certain though so I'll keep the faith. Cazorla is a player who was definitely on the cards but we were only ever likely to get him on the cheap if their owner continued to act like a nutbar thus forcing the clubs hand. If, however, he chooses to step in then nobody has a chance to sign him. Personally I think we can get him for £25m and think it'd be a real statement of intent if we did. It certainly looks like he'd like to come to us but convincing them to sell is another matter. I just hope that we're actively looking at numerous other possibilities as we always seem to get too involved in trying to get one player at the cost of losing out on others. I thought the same for a long time JJSB, but as I said I am beginning to wonder. Like you say, we have a chance of getting him if we pay £20-£25m and surely the board also are aware of this - especialy as the Malaga manager has already said £15m is not enough. It seems we don't actually want to make this statement of intent.
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Post by jjsb on Jul 27, 2012 10:34:00 GMT
Pellegrini has just come out and said 20m would be insulting/giving him away were we to offer that (so I deduce we've not). His release clause is 45m which we'd obviously never pay (and I'd hope not too - far too much). £25m to me seems a fair and sensible offer for a player at the top of his game. If we offered that I'd be delighted, even were it rejected, as it'd show we were prepared to go for top quality. To be honest I'd not want to pay much more and I think for that money they might give it some serious thought.
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Jul 27, 2012 10:53:01 GMT
Now if only we were in the £25m ball park on transfers JJSB, I'm sure we would have acquired more players in the past but sadly I cannot imagine our negotiating team offering anywhere as much. Their idea of effective investment is to raid the bargain basement in the hope for a place in Europe.
I'm all for getting good buys but there are times when you have to pay for what you want to get. Gazidis doesn't see it that way. Nor in fact does Arsene really.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Jul 27, 2012 12:15:27 GMT
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Jul 27, 2012 12:18:51 GMT
I was afraid of that this morning when things appeared to stagnate. If we lose out on this I hope there'll be heavy demonstrations at The Emirates calling for Gazidis and his negotiating teammate to go.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Jul 27, 2012 12:22:26 GMT
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Post by thehothead on Jul 27, 2012 12:40:09 GMT
Arsenal can afford to spend £25m on players and I believe players in this bracket are the players we need to challenge for titles.
We can't afford £30/£40m players and to be honest I wouldn't want us to buy them, but players like Cazorla, for £25m, is exactly what we need.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jul 27, 2012 17:03:04 GMT
Arsenal can afford to spend £25m on players and I believe players in this bracket are the players we need to challenge for titles. We can't afford £30/£40m players and to be honest I wouldn't want us to buy them, but players like Cazorla, for £25m, is exactly what we need. We could even afford 1 or 2 players in the 30/40M bracket finically we are sound and even buying a player of that price would not impact us that much. If we lose this player because Gazidis is being too cheap then Usmanov or the Arsenal trust need to react because today against City we looked very poor creatively and with some many of our creative players out injured, I fear we may suffer another bad start.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Jul 27, 2012 17:23:13 GMT
and if we get to semi-finals in all Cups we make more than £40m above getting knocked out early.
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