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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 8:47:21 GMT
Metro are reporting that Man Utd want to sign Sahin on a permanent deal. Knowing Mourinho (who hates Arsenal) he'd probably rather sell them to Utd than risk a loan (and recall if he does well) to us.
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 8:48:16 GMT
sorry I meant sell him, rather than them. Can you edit comments on here ?
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 5, 2012 8:51:48 GMT
yes - look for the odd function bar - we did change it to be clearer - but hover over the items to read easier.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 8:57:57 GMT
Well if we let Sahin slip through I will be displeased - with Rosicky and Wilshere out for the long term we need BOTH Cazorla and Sahin - and we need them right away so they can travel to Germany with us!
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Post by thehothead on Aug 5, 2012 9:18:15 GMT
Bloody hijackers. Lets hope that our initial interest is enough to convince him to come to us - after all, nobody else was interested in him until we were.
I know nothing about the player, how/where does he play ?
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 9:21:52 GMT
Bloody hijackers. Lets hope that our initial interest is enough to convince him to come to us - after all, nobody else was interested in him until we were. I know nothing about the player, how/where does he play ? Ex Dortmund player, won the league them, went to Real and hardly played (only 4 league games). A central creative midfielder... Here's a compilation. looks top top quality (albeit this is a youtube compilation)
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Post by thehothead on Aug 5, 2012 9:36:31 GMT
Aye .. he does look quality !! If we can get him on loan in the first instance that cushions the blow of losing Wilshere at least !!!
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 9:43:58 GMT
Aye .. he does look quality !! If we can get him on loan in the first instance that cushions the blow of losing Wilshere at least !!! Yeah - I think that is the idea...
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 9:50:36 GMT
You know what? If we don't get either player, we only have ourselves to blame.
We always take too long to get our transfer targets.
For example, reports in Turkey are claiming the only thing that's stopping Arsenal from completing the signing of Sahin is the wage demands. Well sort it out quickly, don't take ages sorting it out.
And now we're hearing SAF could be hijacking our bid - we've known about Sahin for ages now. If we actually wanted to get him, we would have snapped him up quickly, rather than trying to be hard-nosed.
And as for Cazorla, well, I don't know what's going on with that. But a Representative from Malaga has confirmed Solomon Rondon is joining Rubin Kazan - well, why has no source from Malaga confirmed what's been going on with Cazorla?
Even before Giroud officially signed, the Montpellier Chairman confirmed he was going to Arsenal.
We seriously do need to be quicker because other teams will hijack our bids if we don't hurry up.
We're so close to signing both players - but we could still end up missing out on both due to minor issues. If we do end up missing out on both players, I will be livid - completely and totally livid.
Only Arsenal could fuck it up, after all.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 9:57:07 GMT
You know what? If we don't get either player, we only have ourselves to blame. We always take too long to get our transfer targets. For example, reports in Turkey are claiming the only thing that's stopping Arsenal from completing the signing of Sahin is the wage demands. Well sort it out quickly, don't take ages sorting it out. And now we're hearing SAF could be hijacking our bid - we've known about Sahin for ages now. If we actually wanted to get him, we would have snapped him up quickly, rather than trying to be hard-nosed. And as for Cazorla, well, I don't know what's going on with that. But a Representative from Malaga has confirmed Solomon Rondon is joining Rubin Kazan - well, why has no source from Malaga confirmed what's been going on with Cazorla? Even before Giroud officially signed, the Montpellier Chairman confirmed he was going to Arsenal. We seriously do need to be quicker because other teams will hijack our bids if we don't hurry up. We're so close to signing both players - but we could still end up missing out on both due to minor issues. If we do end up missing out on both players, I will be livid - completely and totally livid. Only Arsenal could fuck it up, after all. Its a worry for sure. If nothing else the UTD interest will slow us down further. Sahin will at the very least listen to what Fergie has to say before making a decision. We also know that Jose is a fan of Ferguson and really does not like Wenger. Hearing the news about UTD is gutting. We were too slow.
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sensi
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 15:08:06 GMT
You know what? If we don't get either player, we only have ourselves to blame. We always take too long to get our transfer targets. For example, reports in Turkey are claiming the only thing that's stopping Arsenal from completing the signing of Sahin is the wage demands. Well sort it out quickly, don't take ages sorting it out. And now we're hearing SAF could be hijacking our bid - we've known about Sahin for ages now. If we actually wanted to get him, we would have snapped him up quickly, rather than trying to be hard-nosed. And as for Cazorla, well, I don't know what's going on with that. But a Representative from Malaga has confirmed Solomon Rondon is joining Rubin Kazan - well, why has no source from Malaga confirmed what's been going on with Cazorla? Even before Giroud officially signed, the Montpellier Chairman confirmed he was going to Arsenal. We seriously do need to be quicker because other teams will hijack our bids if we don't hurry up. We're so close to signing both players - but we could still end up missing out on both due to minor issues. If we do end up missing out on both players, I will be livid - completely and totally livid. Only Arsenal could fuck it up, after all. I think you're being a bit harsh on the club. Transfers are not as easy as 'we want this player' so sign him up. There are lots of terms and agreements to be met first. It's clear that we are working on these deals. Have some faith.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 15:12:16 GMT
You know what? If we don't get either player, we only have ourselves to blame. We always take too long to get our transfer targets. For example, reports in Turkey are claiming the only thing that's stopping Arsenal from completing the signing of Sahin is the wage demands. Well sort it out quickly, don't take ages sorting it out. And now we're hearing SAF could be hijacking our bid - we've known about Sahin for ages now. If we actually wanted to get him, we would have snapped him up quickly, rather than trying to be hard-nosed. And as for Cazorla, well, I don't know what's going on with that. But a Representative from Malaga has confirmed Solomon Rondon is joining Rubin Kazan - well, why has no source from Malaga confirmed what's been going on with Cazorla? Even before Giroud officially signed, the Montpellier Chairman confirmed he was going to Arsenal. We seriously do need to be quicker because other teams will hijack our bids if we don't hurry up. We're so close to signing both players - but we could still end up missing out on both due to minor issues. If we do end up missing out on both players, I will be livid - completely and totally livid. Only Arsenal could fuck it up, after all. I think you're being a bit harsh on the club. Transfers are not as easy as 'we want this player' so sign him up. There are lots of terms and agreements to be met first. It's clear that we are working on these deals. Have some faith. I think faith has been eroded a lot over the past few years - a lot of fans see and feel the urgency required to get us back to winning ways, but it appears (from the outside) that the same urgency is not demonstrated by the club. Of course, behind the scenes they might be working like crazy to get deals done, but Arsenal have always been a very private club and it's hard to get a sense of what's going on. Of course if you add the fact the press are always eager to stir up unrest.
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 15:21:26 GMT
I think you're being a bit harsh on the club. Transfers are not as easy as 'we want this player' so sign him up. There are lots of terms and agreements to be met first. It's clear that we are working on these deals. Have some faith. I think faith has been eroded a lot over the past few years - a lot of fans see and feel the urgency required to get us back to winning ways, but it appears (from the outside) that the same urgency is not demonstrated by the club. Of course, behind the scenes they might be working like crazy to get deals done, but Arsenal have always been a very private club and it's hard to get a sense of what's going on. Of course if you add the fact the press are always eager to stir up unrest. I think the club have been in a difficult position regarding transfers over the last few years. When we moved from Highbury, there was a open policy on developing youth and not buying expensive stars. In that time, we also saw huge amounts of money being pumped into a few clubs from rich investors, which made the targets that Arsenal did have, even more difficult to acquire. I think too many fans bought into the rubbish spouted by the press and our detractors. we may not have won any trophies in that time, but if you take a sober look at what we did achieve, with the resources we had, we did okay. It seems now though, that we are fully committed to getting our business done in the transfer market.
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 15:23:07 GMT
Sensi - I'm not saying transfers are easy, but we've got a reputation of bargain-bucket-ing or trying to be too frugal and stingy when it comes to transfers. It's led to us not acquiring top players because Gazidis is too hard-nosed when it comes to transfers.
Newcastle have managed to recruit some top players via their global scouting network and most of their players are on £40k p/w - if they can sort out their transactions so quickly and with very little difficulty, seeing as no-one tries to hijack their bids, then I don't see why we struggle to do things efficiently and fairly quickly.
We don't need to hand out excessive wages so long as players feel valued at Arsenal and feel that we can build something special and are getting sufficient game time.
Yes we may not know completely what's going on, but we've been lied too by members of the Arsenal Board and other clubs have revealed that we've offered derisory bids in the past such as Bordeaux, Fulham, Lyon, Dortmund and Valencia CF when we've made bids for their players - so it is understandable for me to be lacking faith, given what past experiences have exemplified.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 15:24:47 GMT
I think faith has been eroded a lot over the past few years - a lot of fans see and feel the urgency required to get us back to winning ways, but it appears (from the outside) that the same urgency is not demonstrated by the club. Of course, behind the scenes they might be working like crazy to get deals done, but Arsenal have always been a very private club and it's hard to get a sense of what's going on. Of course if you add the fact the press are always eager to stir up unrest. I think the club have been in a difficult position regarding transfers over the last few years. When we moved from Highbury, there was a open policy on developing youth and not buying expensive stars. In that time, we also saw huge amounts of money being pumped into a few clubs from rich investors, which made the targets that Arsenal did have, even more difficult to acquire. I think too many fans bought into the rubbish spouted by the press and our detractors. we may not have won any trophies in that time, but if you take a sober look at what we did achieve, with the resources we had, we did okay. It seems now though, that we are fully committed to getting our business done in the transfer market. If you take a pragmatic view of what has transpired over the last 6 years , I think the assessment of 'we did ok' is about right. My issue is that I expect more than that from us. Ultimately I don't think the extreme position taken on saving money was required, and our bank balance would support the fact we've over done it. I do think if we get Sahin and Cazorla, that the club are realising this too.
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