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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 15:33:33 GMT
Sensi - I'm not saying transfers are easy, but we've got a reputation of bargain-bucket-ing or trying to be too frugal and stingy when it comes to transfers. It's led to us not acquiring top players because Gazidis is too hard-nosed when it comes to transfers. Newcastle have managed to recruit some top players via their global scouting network and most of their players are on £40k p/w - if they can sort out their transactions so quickly and with very little difficulty, seeing as no-one tries to hijack their bids, then I don't see why we struggle to do things efficiently and fairly quickly. We don't need to hand out excessive wages so long as players feel valued at Arsenal and feel that we can build something special and are getting sufficient game time. Yes we may not know completely what's going on, but we've been lied too by members of the Arsenal Board and other clubs have revealed that we've offered derisory bids in the past such as Bordeaux, Fulham, Lyon, Dortmund and Valencia CF when we've made bids for their players - so it is understandable for me to be lacking faith, given what past experiences have exemplified. I'd have to say, that since Gazidis has been on board, we've actually done pretty well in the transfer market, so I don't think the criticism of him is justified. Also, whilst Newcastle may be able to pay £40k per week for players, you have to remember that Arsenal are a Champions league team and naturally the wages will be higher. Look at what happened to Spurs when they had their one season of glory in the CL, their top players all started wrangling for better deals or moves to bigger clubs. I think Arsenal have handled the transfer market pretty well given the circumstances. It's easy to apportion blame when we don't get our reported target, but you have to remember that 90% of what's written in the papers is total boulderdash.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 15:40:22 GMT
Sensi - I'm not saying transfers are easy, but we've got a reputation of bargain-bucket-ing or trying to be too frugal and stingy when it comes to transfers. It's led to us not acquiring top players because Gazidis is too hard-nosed when it comes to transfers. Newcastle have managed to recruit some top players via their global scouting network and most of their players are on £40k p/w - if they can sort out their transactions so quickly and with very little difficulty, seeing as no-one tries to hijack their bids, then I don't see why we struggle to do things efficiently and fairly quickly. We don't need to hand out excessive wages so long as players feel valued at Arsenal and feel that we can build something special and are getting sufficient game time. Yes we may not know completely what's going on, but we've been lied too by members of the Arsenal Board and other clubs have revealed that we've offered derisory bids in the past such as Bordeaux, Fulham, Lyon, Dortmund and Valencia CF when we've made bids for their players - so it is understandable for me to be lacking faith, given what past experiences have exemplified. I'd have to say, that since Gazidis has been on board, we've actually done pretty well in the transfer market, so I don't think the criticism of him is justified. Also, whilst Newcastle may be able to pay £40k per week for players, you have to remember that Arsenal are a Champions league team and naturally the wages will be higher. Look at what happened to Spurs when they had their one season of glory in the CL, their top players all started wrangling for better deals or moves to bigger clubs. I think Arsenal have handled the transfer market pretty well given the circumstances. It's easy to apportion blame when we don't get our reported target, but you have to remember that 90% of what's written in the papers is total boulderdash. Agree that 90% of the paper talk is BS, but to say Gazidis has done well in the transfer market? I can't agree with that!
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 15:41:54 GMT
Since he came on board, we have spent significant funds in the transfer market. Last season we bought 9 players ! So I don't think he can be accused of being a penny pincher
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 5, 2012 15:42:05 GMT
sorry - but I don' see any positives about what part Ivan the Terrible has played. I guess he signed the paperwork - but did he conduct negotiations, work proactively, support Wenger in bidding enough to clinch deals? Its all guesswork - but it does seem we set our bids too low to do deals. If we identify the player we need we should bid the extra 2 or £3m to settle it. we always come across as penny-pinching.
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 15:44:37 GMT
Sensi - Sorry, but I cannot agree with your views on Gazidis. He is a snake and a compulsive liar and I really don't think we've done that well in the transfer market at all. He cares about making a profit and that's all. Takes no consideration of the fans and he talks a load of garbage at his Q&A sessions.
You've missed my point about the Newcastle scouting network. I know we can afford higher wages, but Newcastle have acquired better quality players courtesy of their global scouting network for reasonable fees and they are on good wages. For a team that was promoted to the PL two seasons ago, and then to finish in a European spot the season after is a very good achievement. Anyway, I was more pointing toward how quickly and efficiently and quietly they go about their business as well as the level of quality of players they have brought to the club. Shrewd and good business acumen.
And I don't base all my knowledge or my beliefs on what I read in the papers. I try to use reliable, trustworthy sources such as Swiss Ramble or Arseblog.
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 15:50:37 GMT
What evidence is there that he's a snake and a liar ?
I have to say that I'm finding the vitriol for our CEO a little harsh coming from fans of the club.
Since he's come on board, we have made several big signings and we're about to make more, he's raised our commercial revenues and is about to renegotiate our sponsorship deals.
So far, so good I would say
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 15:57:33 GMT
Sensi - he told us we had no money, when that was a lie, if you care to check our accounts. He told us that Fabregas would stay at Arsenal, which was a lie. Gazidis haggles over the prices and other clubs have said to us that we don't offer enough. It's Wenger's job to identify the player, but Gazidis is meant to agree the other terms. And he fails to do so, then he says that we made a real attempt to sign a player, when he's disgusing it to look like we tried to make a bid for a player when there was no real chance of getting said player.
For example, Gotze. We made a bid for him on August 31st 2011 - the LAST day of the transfer window - and there was no chance we would sign him, yet he tried to purposely make a bid to in an attempt to show the fans ''oh look! we are trying to get players, we are trying!''. If he was so serious about buying the player, why wait til the last day to make a bid?
You can have your views on Gazidis, but I will have my own.
And I can agree with you on his sponsorship deals negotiations - that's one strength of his seeing as he loves his money so much.
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 16:03:04 GMT
I think you need to take reports of our bids for players with a pinch of salt, as I've already said 90% of what you read in the papers is BS. I see no reason why he would make a bid for a player knowing he wasn't going to get him just to try and appease the fans. That seems like paranoid thinking to me. Fair enough, you're entitled to your view, but I don't share it. Since he's joined Arsenal, the club have gone forward and are moving in the right direction, so he deserves some credit for that.
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 16:04:37 GMT
Didn't we make a £20m + bid for Goetze ? To me that seems like a genuine attempt to sign him.
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 16:09:07 GMT
Sensi - Like I said, I do NOT base my views on what has been said in papers. I use other sources.
You want to think it's paranoia?? Up to you, but I am still adamant that I believe I am right with my view on Gazidis.
And I don't know what the fee was, but if we wanted to sign him, we wouldn't have left it to the last day of the transfer window to do it. Do you really think Dortmund would have sold him to us for £20m when he still had purportedly 2.5 years left on his contract? For one of the hottest young prospects in Europe?
Yeah right !!
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Post by sensi on Aug 5, 2012 16:12:55 GMT
According to Dortmund it was significantly more than £20m, but the point is that it's rather foolish in my opinion to suggest that our CEO, manager and accountants would make a substantial bid, knowing it would be rebuffed, simply to appease some disgruntled fans. Sorry, but that is just not true.
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 16:15:12 GMT
So why wait until the very last day to do it, if he was serious? Why not make the bid earlier? And care to show where I blamed the manager for losing out on top players? I didn't say that, I said it's mainly Gazidis who is responsible in my opinion.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 5, 2012 16:35:38 GMT
sensi - do you prefer Cornwall to Devon? You argue like an old friend of mine who I suggested to jump of the Golden Gate.?
good fishing down there? - ever tried?
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Post by ammaar on Aug 5, 2012 16:41:51 GMT
;D
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 5, 2012 16:49:08 GMT
sensi - this discussion has gone to pot.......have we smoked you out?
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