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Post by thehothead on Aug 8, 2012 20:55:12 GMT
No way Song is better than Busquets Altbouli, I think Busquets is a much better passer of the ball and he breaks up play better.
That said maybe its a case of styles, Busquets suits Barca's style of play, the requirement to be able to play one touch football is great, Song cannot play that game, he dwells n the ball and takes ages to get his head up.
To sell Song and bring in a better player I would jump for joy, but to sell song and not replace him would be a big mistake and one we of all teams cannot afford to make - considering we are defensively crap.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 8, 2012 20:56:49 GMT
Not a chance in hell Barca would sell Thiago ... he is such a classy player, gonna be one of the best CMs in the world, mark my words.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 8, 2012 21:04:36 GMT
I disagree, I dont rate Busquets that highly at all the reason he look so effective is because of the other players around him like Xavi who break up the play. Barca defend as a unit meaning that Busquets role is much easier. I dont think he would remotely as good as Song in this league. Also I think he may be a more accurate passer than Song but Song has better vision on the ball, just look at some of this through balls for RVP last season. Some of those passes were very difficult to do in the pace of our league and when under pressure from opposition. I think Song is a much better all round player.
In regards to Thiago I agree that it is very unlikely but we were linked with him previously as a part exchange for Cesc. I know the circumstance are very different now though which us why I also mentioned someone like Affealy who is also a very good player.
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Post by Bergkamp a Dutch master on Aug 9, 2012 6:44:22 GMT
I don't agree that all of the passes through to RVP were that good. It was very often RVP who latched on to really tricky balls and converted them - 20%Song/80%RVP. However I do rate Song defensively - if only Wenger would insist THAT is what he does, rather than surging forward causing disarray at the back. The fact remains for less than £15m I 'd not sell - for £20m I would.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 9, 2012 10:47:21 GMT
Altbouli - all the balls Song played to RVP were the same, clipped balls forward with a little bit of curl that any other striker would do nothing with because they were awkward. RVP's technique and supreme confidence turned those balls into spectacular balls forward. Any striker will tell you the most difficult ball to strike on the volley is the ball coming over your shoulder and across your body.
I agree that Barca press as a team, but Busquets seems less clumsy. Ok, he's a big diver, but he can play one-touch football. Can you imagine Song trying to play one-touch football??
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Post by pneawf on Aug 9, 2012 15:59:16 GMT
I just hope we replace like with like and not spend the money on a horde of 12 year olds from ligue 2
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2012 18:16:04 GMT
The one touch football involves very simple passes to Xavi from Busquets so yes I could see Song doing that, even Maschirano was doing that when he played in that position for them. The point i'm making about Song through balls is that they were difficult to pull off because he was in most cases under enormous pressure from the opposition. I know that it was RVP who did most of the work controlling the ball but what I am saying is Song's vision to attempt that pass when under pressure. Busquets stays much further back and all the passing I have seen from him is simple balls, Denilson was doing the same when he played for us i.e. pass backwards or to the side which is not very difficult to pull off.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 9, 2012 18:21:08 GMT
I've never seen Song do it, he gets the ball with his head down - you can't play one touch football by looking down. If you've seen him when he gets caught on the ball its because he doesn't get his head up to see what options there are around him.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 9, 2012 18:34:30 GMT
No he hasn’t done that with us, but you asked me if I could see him doing that and my answer is yes because what Buesquets is doing is very simple to do even when playing one touch. He does get caught on the ball a lot but the speed of our league is much faster than the Spanish league, Busquets would also get caught on the ball a lot if he was playing the same system, in the same league and with the same players. Lets face it our midfield at the moment in inferior to Barca's, they move around so much meaning that their are always options available but we dont have the same work ethic in our team and a number of our players in midfield can be accused of being lazy at times.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 9, 2012 19:50:06 GMT
Very true and thats the best argument i have heard for Song yet
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Post by pneawf on Aug 10, 2012 5:30:51 GMT
I don't rate Song and I'd be happy for him to go so long as we get a replacement.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 10, 2012 19:29:30 GMT
If the replacement was better or had the potential to be better than yes absolutely, however there's know point getting rid of him if the potential replacements are inferior. And the names we have been linked with like those two boys from Celtic are much worse than Song
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Post by thehothead on Aug 10, 2012 20:24:56 GMT
Is the boy from Celtic a DM ?
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 10, 2012 20:47:52 GMT
yeah I think so and from what ive seen of him he's not very good. He has trouble imposing himself in the Scottish league so I highly doubt he would be worth the effort trying to pursue
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Post by pneawf on Aug 11, 2012 6:47:13 GMT
If the replacement was better or had the potential to be better than yes absolutely, however there's know point getting rid of him if the potential replacements are inferior. And the names we have been linked with like those two boys from Celtic are much worse than Song This is the thing though. We seem to have started a trend for replacements that are cheap or unproven. Song is never going to win us anything but if we replace as we did last summer we are simply heading for mid table obscurity.
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