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Post by Kyle? - Don't Call me Puddin' on Aug 5, 2012 21:25:25 GMT
I think Robin is only re-signing because nobody else wanted him enough. We're his plan B.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 21:28:38 GMT
I think Robin is only re-signing because nobody else wanted him enough. We're his plan B. Perhaps, but I'll take that if he commits and finishes his career with us - what i DON'T want is if he has another good half year, we get speculation in January. If he stays, he MUST commit.
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Post by Kyle? - Don't Call me Puddin' on Aug 5, 2012 21:29:57 GMT
I think Robin is only re-signing because nobody else wanted him enough. We're his plan B. Perhaps, but I'll take that if he commits and finishes his career with us - what i DON'T want is if he has another good half year, we get speculation in January. If he stays, he MUST commit. Can he at least lose the captaincy then.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 21:33:11 GMT
Perhaps, but I'll take that if he commits and finishes his career with us - what i DON'T want is if he has another good half year, we get speculation in January. If he stays, he MUST commit. Can he at least lose the captaincy then. I think he should - I don't think he was ever a good captain anyway - too many games we seemed lethargic and whilst he is able to motivate himself, he is not able to 'rally' those around him. The problem we have is that we have no one else who fits the bill either - maybe Merts, but will he even play that much?
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Aug 5, 2012 21:40:18 GMT
I think we should never forget the good RvP has done for this club. Sadly memories fade all too quickly. Things change in life and the same goes for football and it was RvP's right to decide where he would wish to be. Though I would love him to remain at Arsenal, just who are we to say to him that he had to stay? As thing stand we do not know if he will be leaving the club or putting on the famed No 10 shirt so we can speculate for all we like on that. The fact remains though that last season and others, we would not have made it to the CL without him. You cannot change that - it's fact.
Let's just suppose that the statement he released in respect of his contract was a way to get the management of this club to bring about measures that will truly secure trophies. If that is so, then I think he has done a great service to the club. If we do infact secure the services of the various players beyond Podolski and Giroud then we would be in better shape than ever over the past seven years. I don't think anyone could sincerely say that just on the strength of the signatures of Podolski and Giroud alone. Just look at the deficiencies in our midfield and defence and the fact that key players we had hoped to start the season with are seemingly not available till later in the season and remember that on paper, we do not have a smooth passage through the early part of the coming season.
Again while on the subject of speculation, I can appreciate some fans being disappointed were RvP to leave but that's life and the decision is rightly his and his alone. Not his wife's or mother's or Arsene's or ours. Put yourself in his shoes. If the company you worked for had a longer term outlook that differed from yours, would you stay? SOme might, others may not. Is anyone more right than the other?
This is football. It's a game. Get a life!!
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Post by Kyle? - Don't Call me Puddin' on Aug 5, 2012 21:40:45 GMT
Can he at least lose the captaincy then. I think he should - I don't think he was ever a good captain anyway - too many games we seemed lethargic and whilst he is able to motivate himself, he is not able to 'rally' those around him. The problem we have is that we have no one else who fits the bill either - maybe Merts, but will he even play that much? Vermaelen or Arteta are captain material IMO.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 21:43:33 GMT
I think we should never forget the good RvP has done for this club. Sadly memories fade all too quickly. Things change in life and the same goes for football and it was RvP's right to decide where he would wish to be. Though I would love him to remain at Arsenal, just who are we to say to him that he had to stay? As thing stand we do not know if he will be leaving the club or putting on the famed No 10 shirt so we can speculate for all we like on that. The fact remains though that last season and others, we would not have made it to the CL without him. You cannot change that - it's fact. Let's just suppose that the statement he released in respect of his contract was a way to get the management of this club to bring about measures that will truly secure trophies. If that is so, then I think he has done a great service to the club. If we do infact secure the services of the various players beyond Podolski and Giroud then we would be in better shape than ever over the past seven years. I don't think anyone could sincerely say that just on the strength of the signatures of Podolski and Giroud alone. Just look at the deficiencies in our midfield and defence and the fact that key players we had hoped to start the season with are seemingly not available till later in the season and remember that on paper, we do not have a smooth passage through the early part of the coming season. Again while on the subject of speculation, I can appreciate some fans being disappointed were RvP to leave but that's life and the decision is rightly his and his alone. Not his wife's or mother's or Arsene's or ours. Put yourself in his shoes. If the company you worked for had a longer term outlook that differed from yours, would you stay? SOme might, others may not. Is anyone more right than the other? This is football. It's a game. Get a life!! Pretty much spot on. We owe a lot to RVP. Said before that if he signs again he will end up going past 10 years - what an achievement and great show of loyalty from a player in this day and age. I remember thinking whilst at Dennis Bergkamp Day to celebrate his tesimonial that I may never see another foriegn player make 10 years at Arsenal
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Aug 5, 2012 21:57:08 GMT
You're right Jayram It would be gr8 to see him stay and play. Sadly I never saw all of DB's time at Arsenal because of work commitments. However and thankfully I have seen more of RvP's last 8 and am quite grateful we have all had the opportunity to enjoy him in an Arsenal shirt. The next stage which is the swansong of his career is rightfully, his call. I'd be sad to see him go but if he stays then I will believe miracles do happen in football.
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 22:00:58 GMT
You're right Jayram It would be gr8 to see him stay and play. Sadly I never saw all of DB's time at Arsenal because of work commitments. However and thankfully I have seen more of RvP's last 8 and am quite grateful we have all had the opportunity to enjoy him in an Arsenal shirt. The next stage which is the swansong of his career is rightfully, his call. I'd be sad to see him go but if he stays then I will believe miracles do happen in football. WilshereCazorlaSahinRosickyPodolski Walcott OXO Gervinho RVPImpressive attacking talent, but take the ones in bold away - injuries or uncertainty - and its looks not so impressive. We NEED RVP to stay in my view.
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Aug 5, 2012 22:03:45 GMT
Which to me adds more weight to RvP's believes that we need to reinforce the squad. If he does stay I couldn't be happier and would strengthen my own belief that after 7 barren years we can at last go for the big prizes. To ne there is none greater than the EPL. For me and I know some may not agree, the CL is second prize
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Post by Jayramfootball on Aug 5, 2012 22:06:41 GMT
Which to me adds more weight to RvP's believes that we need to reinforce the squad. If he does stay I couldn't be happier and would strengthen my own belief that after 7 barren years we can at last go for the big prizes. To ne there is none greater than the EPL. For me and I know some may not agree, the CL is second prize Yep, CL second by a long distance to me. Its a cup competition that does not reveal the best team. No one can tell me that Chelsea were the best team in Europe last year. The league is the true test of a teams qualities.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 5, 2012 22:10:12 GMT
I thought RVP was a very good captin for us last season as he led by example from the front, just look at the team spirit to claw our way back into the top four when we were effectievly dead and buried at the start of last season. That being said Vermaelen strikes me as being the best in terms of captin material. I dont think the likes of Arteta are vocal enough to be a good captin.
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Post by Robin van Bergkamp on Aug 5, 2012 22:10:54 GMT
Yep, CL second by a long distance to me. Its a cup competition that does not reveal the best team. No one can tell me that Chelsea were the best team in Europe last year.The league is the true test of a teams qualities. Or perhaps any year..... Actually in 2006 or was it 2007, I thought they had a top heavy squad. The players on their bench would have made the first team in almost any club. But then again, this was a chequebook squad which the FA or FIFA should have seen coming but sadly and unsurprisingly, didn't.
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Post by thehothead on Aug 6, 2012 14:28:39 GMT
I thought RVP was a good captain too, he lead by example and didn't let his head drop. Ok, he isn't the best captain but he had the necessary fire to be a leader.
I'd say only Vermaelen is real captain material, but for me even he is not vocal enough. I like my captains to be traditional captains, born leader on the pitch and tell players they are playing shit if they are playing shit. A rocket up the arse from the captain makes you raise your game, your pride should make that happen.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Aug 6, 2012 19:39:20 GMT
Sadly there isn't too many real leaders anymore, the last one captin that you could say is a real leader is John Terry. Although I cant stand the guy, he is a real leader when he is on the pitch and although Vermaelen is our best bet for the captaincy role. He is not as charismatic as John Terry in my opinion. I find it strange these days that you dont really get these old fashioned leaders/captains like you used to. Jack may become one for us and City have Company coming through but I cant think of too many apart from that. I think its largely down to the fact that the importance of the captaincy and of a strong leader figure seems to have diminished some what. These day the best player seems to be handed the captaincy role rather than the player who is more of a leader, just look at us with Cesc, even Henry wasn’t a very good captin really.
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